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Published Jun 11, 2020

Every Vorta — Including Every Weyoun — Ranked

An ode to the middle managers of The Dominion.

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The Vorta: Star Trek ’s guys-you-love-to-hate. The middle managers of the Dominion. The officious little adjutants of a fascist regime!

Genetically modified from some arboreal primates to help serve the Founders, the Vorta are an odd race: they have no culture of their own, have no aesthetic sense whatsoever. There’s no Vorta music, no Vorta art, no Vorta cuisine (though they do still like the nuts from their homeworld). They’re essentially immune to poison (a nice feature in a diplomat) and they are hardwired to be the friendliest liars you’ll ever meet.

By my count, there are only thirteen named Vorta in the entire run of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine — and five of them are named Weyoun, thanks to the Dominon’s tendency to re-clone their favorite servants like they’re playing Super Mario Bros . Though there’s only a baker’s dozen of the purple-eyed schemers in all of Star Trek , all of them leave an impression — even the individual-yet-slightly-different versions of Weyoun.

So with that in mind, here is every single named Vorta, ranked by how great they were for us to watch at home.

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Fairly one-note, this standard-issue Vorta appears to be a pretty fair baseline for what all Vorta are like - competent, detailed oriented administrators with just a couple whacks of the Evil Stick to make them better able to serve the Founders. In his appearance, Borath trapped the crew of the Defiant in a virtual simulation to see just how far they’d go to resist the Dominion (really far, turns out). Nothing about Borath’s appearance really stands out, but he’s a perfectly adequate Vorta.

Luaran dies very, very quickly in her appearance, but she’s notable for one thing: Kira doing a very passable impression of Luaran over the comms to trick the Dominion. For that alone, Luaran earns a higher spot in the listings than she’d otherwise probably get.

The first appearance of an alien on Star Trek often contains some… anomalies. The first time we ever see Spock, he smiles warmly. The first time we see a Trill, they don’t have any spots. And when we meet Eris, the first Vorta we’ve ever seen, she has… psychokinetic powers that no Vorta after ever demonstrates. Perhaps in the world of genetically-engineered servants it’s an optional feature, like springing for the leather interior or seat warmers. Or, given that we never see Eris again, giving one of your custom-designed slave species psychic powers may make them a little too powerful to control.

Just gonna say it: screw Keevan. Screw his scheming ways, his weaselly little face, his hiss of a voice. Even by Vorta standards, Keevan was unusually self-serving and duplicitous. In “Rocks and Shoals,” the stranded Keevan realized he didn’t have enough Ketracel White to keep his soldiers happy and obedient, so instead he sent his men to attack Sisko — while warning Sisko first about their plan. Sisko had no choice but to massacre the Jem’Hadar soldiers — and while the Dominion may treat the Jem’Hadar like meaty, disposable cannon fodder, Sisko absolutely didn’t. His disgust with Keevan was palpable as he took him into custody.

Luckily, in his second appearance, Keevan got what was coming to him. In “The Magnificent Ferengi,” Nog, Quark, Rom and a team of other Ferengi accidentally kill him while setting up a prisoner exchange, and pull a “Weekend At Bernie’s” with the corpse, ultimately leaving his shambling body walking into a bulkhead forever. His last words? “I hate Ferengi.”

Well, Keevan, I hate you.

Whenever you pit the Vorta against the Jem’Hadar, you end up siding against the Vorta every time. Because while the Dominion’s loyal footsoldiers have no choice but to follow the Founders or literally die, the Vorta seem to really enjoy being the scheming Iago-type assistants to the Founders. It seems like a missed opportunity that the Founders didn’t genetically engineer the Vorta with moustaches to twirl.

Deyos, overseeing a Dominion internment camp, wasn’t seen beyond his one appearance on the show, but in his role he oversaw a lot of changes. His little asteroid prison reunited Garak with his father Enabran Tain, held Doctor Bashir captive while a Changeling doppelgänger tried to destroy the entire Bajoran system, and introduced Worf to Martok in what is probably one of the most important friendships in Klingon history.

When Worf’s opponent in the fighting pit, the Jem’Hadar First, announced that he could not defeat Worf, merely kill him, Deyos ordered them both shot. Worf survived thanks to a well-timed transporter, but Deyos will always be remembered one of the more-dishonorable Vorta.

8) Weyoun 8

The first Weyoun to appear on our list, Weyoun 8 was the final Weyoun to appear on the show. During his run, #8 mostly oversaw the entirely botched occupation of Cardassia, and as such his tenure is a string of failures. He failed to kill Damar’s resistance movement and also failed to break the spirit of the Cardassian people, who rose up when it seemed as though Damar was gone. Creepily loyal to the Founders, his only response to being ordered to wipe out the entire Cardassian population was “That could take some time,” clearly only concerned about the logistics rather than the morality.

Weyoun died the way he lived; that is to say, he died by being murdered yet again. Garak gunned this last Weyoun for shooting his mouth off (you’d think he would’ve learned; see the entry on Weyoun 7) and Garak was very pleased to discover that there were no more clones lying in wait.

In “One Little Ship,” Gelnon oversaw the creation of a new race of Jem’Hadar soldiers, the “Alphas,” who were explicitly designed to succeed in the Alpha Quadrant. He then proceeded to ignore the advice of his older, more-experienced soldiers from the Gamma Quadrant on the grounds that they were old news. We’ve all had a boss or two who wouldn’t listen to advice, and so in the audience our hearts kinda go out to the poor Jem’Hadar serving under him. On the other hand, his inability to listen to his inferiors means that the crew of the Defiant were able to turn the tables on their captors, so I’m kinda fine with his management style.

6) Weyoun 5

Weyoun 5 was the longest-running Weyoun during the run of the show, and he made the most of his time, forging an alliance between the Dominion and Cardassia, and forcibly taking control of Deep Space Nine , overseeing it as part of the station’s Ruling Council. During his tenure, he got some of the best line deliveries in the history of Weyouns, including his cheerful “Time to go!” when Sisko retook the station with a little help from the Prophets.

Ultimately, Weyoun 5 died in a “mysterious transporter accident” thought to be caused by Gul Damar. This might have been the early stirrings of the patriotic fervor that eventually prompted Damar to rise up against the Dominion, or it might’ve just been because he hated the guy. Either way, pour out a glass of kanar for Weyoun 5.

Yelgrun is played by Iggy Pop. Even if that was all there was to say on the matter, he’d probably be fairly entertaining just knowing that he was Iggy Pop underneath the hair and makeup. But Iggy Pop is good, really playing the role in a way that fits perfectly into the universe. Between his banter with Moogie and his negotiations with Quark, it’s safe to say that Iggy Pop was born to play an alien on Star Trek , and it’s nice that he’s got that as a fallback career if the musician thing doesn’t work.

4) Weyoun 7

Weyoun 7 was activated to capture the rogue Weyoun 6, so we had a really confusing “two Popes” scenario going for most of “Treachery, Faith, and the Great River.” In one of his first acts as the new HWIC (Head Weyoun In Charge), #7 tried to kill Odo, something the Founders never would’ve approved of. It’s hard to know whether he actually would’ve done it, but 7 was prone to being, somehow, more of a jerk than a lot of others on the list.

Ultimately, that’s what killed him. Weyoun made the mistake of being a jerk to Ezri Dax while Worf was in neck-snapping range, allowing Worf to finally make good on one of those “I would kill you where you stand” threats he’s always making to people.

Kilana was, for my latinum, one of the most-likeable Vorta ever to appear on DS9. More often than not, Vorta were played by male actors - even when you adjust for how many of them were just different versions of Jeffrey Combs. With the Vorta, everything is by design, and with Kilana’s portrayal in “The Ship,” we got a glimpse into how the Dominion’s design of female Vorta offered something different. Unlike the sort of officious glad-handing common to the Weyouns, Kilana was downright pleasant, with a projected vulnerability and even a bit of flirtatiousness clearly intended to disarm adversaries like Captain Sisko.

When he didn’t fall for her charms, she was clearly disappointed - and when their mutual distrust led to the death of a Founder, she seemed legitimately heartbroken. The back-and-forth between Sisko and Kilana was some of the best verbal jousting we saw on the show, and I wish we’d gotten to see Kilana again — though Kilana’s actress, Kaitlin Hopkins, returned as a fake-Janeway con artist in Voyager’s “Live Fast and Prosper.”

2) Weyoun 6

Weyoun 6, we hardly knew ye. This version of Weyoun only lasted one episode, “Treachery, Faith, and the Great River,” and while by Dominion standards he was a “bad Vorta,” caused by a malfunction somewhere in the cloning process, he was a good person.

Weyoun 6 still believed that the Founders were Gods, but he believed that what they were doing in the Alpha Quadrant, the war they were waging against innocent people, was wrong. Luckily for him, there was another shape-shifter around who wasn’t allied with the Dominion. Switching sides to work for Odo, he accomplished a lot in his short time with the good guys: he told Odo that the Great Link was infected with a wasting disease, he revealed vulnerabilities in Dominion ship design and, when Odo’s life was on the line, he sacrificed himself to save the Constable. Whether caused by a glitch in the cloning process, this Weyoun was a pretty all-right guy, and one of the first times Jeffrey Combs got to play any kind of good guy on Trek , a feat he’d eventually repeat with Shran on Enterprise .

1) Weyoun 4

Weyoun 4 is the first Weyoun we ever encounter on Deep Space Nine , and he contributes even more to the portrayal of Vorta culture than earlier entries like Eris, because Weyoun 4 is the one that introduces one of the key concepts of Weyouns —- that death is not the end for a Vorta, thanks to cloning. This is thanks to Jeffrey Combs, who was so good in the role that they decided they needed a way to bring him back again despite getting fragged by his own Jem’Hadar at the end of the episode. That’s what makes this Weyoun the best Vorta of them all: when he dies, you wish there was a way you could see more of him, so strongly that the show agreed and found a way to make it happen.

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Paramount Pictures Officially Confirms Star Trek Origin Movie For Its Upcoming Film Slate

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Today, the road to the next Star Trek feature film took a small but significant step towards becoming reality.

Paramount makes it official

Earlier this year, it was reported that Paramount Pictures was developing a new Star Trek feature film in parallel development to the “Star Trek 4” sequel to 2016’s Star Trek Beyond . Today the studio made the reports official as they announced their slate of films for 2025 and 2026, an official list which includes what Paramount is now calling “Untitled Star Trek Origin Story.” The studio also confirms the previously reported details: The film is “set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film.” Toby Haynes ( Andor , Black Mirror “USS Callister”) is directing based on a screenplay by Seth Grahame-Smith ( The Lego Batman Movie ), with J.J. Abrams returning as producer.

The Star Trek movie was just one of many the studio confirmed as part of their 2025/2026 slate at their CinemaCon presentation today. Paramount Pictures CEO Brian Robbins led the studio’s presentation at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. This is the first time Star Trek has been part of the studio’s annual CinemaCon event since Robbins took over in 2021.

The “Star Trek 4” sequel to Beyond was not part of today’s CinemaCon presentation, presumably because with the recent hiring of a new screenwriter , that film would not be ready for theaters by 2026. It has also been reported that the origin story movie is set to start filming by the end of the year. There are no details yet on the plot, specific time setting, or cast. If Paramount can move fast enough they could get the origin movie into theaters by 2026—in time for Star Trek’s 60th anniversary.

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Fool me once … ( also I want a movie but until someone gets a set built I’m not holding my breath )

I’m not pre-ordering my tickets…..

You would need a title and a premiere date to order tickets. This film has neither.

I’d wait to believe it until you actually see a movie trailer for it. Noah Hawley was in the casting stage when they cancelled his Trek movie. They might have even started on the sets.

The film is on Noah’s IMDB Credits list…

Yep. I heard ferries exist too!

Car ferries?

Even now, it potentially doesn’t matter. They could pull a Zaslav and shelve the film after it was all but released.

I won’t believe it until my butt is in the theater seat and the film starts playing.

We don’t need the origin story. We have it already. It was called “Enterprise”.

I didn’t realize there was such a large interest in a Star Trek origin movie. It’s their money to burn.

I still believe this is their way of rebooting the “prime” universe from the beginning and remaking it in a new image. I see no other point of doing an origin movie. First Contact and Star trek: Enterprise were origin enough IMO.

I don’t quite get it either. We already got that with First Contact and Enterprise. What else is there that could interest the general public.

Yeah, and for me, the period between First Contact and Enterprise just doesn’t seem that exciting. The period between Enterprise and the Nero incursion would be more interesting, I guess.

They wrote that the origin film would be “set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film”. That film (in-universe) is set in 2233 (Nero incursion) and 2258 (main plot) respectively. So “decades before” would be after Enterprise, probably after the formation of the Federation, most probably before the Nero incursion, maybe around the turn of the century.

It’s just odd they are calling it an “origin” movie if it happens after Enterprise.

I’m curious what they mean by “origin”. The origin of Starfleet would be before Enterprise and the origin of the Federation would be after.

Also, the origin of Star Trek would have to be before the events of First Contact.

…assuming there is a concern about canon whatsoever, of course.

Many assumptions to be made at this point for sure.

Assuming this announcement doesn’t get added to the pile of previous unmade-movie announcements.

They’re calling it an origin movie to appeal to newcomers and casual fans.

Maybe we’ll see the founding of the Federation?

We already saw that in the infamous final episode of Enterprise. If they revisit that, they’d have to include the NX-01 crew and do a *lot* of deaging. 😉

They could show the first year of the Federation or something.

The obvious way to go is just do the Romulan war which leads into the founding of the Federation and what Enterprise was supposed to do.

That’s really the only thing fans actually want to see in terms of a prequel story.

Which was already scripted for Berman nearly 20 years ago by the band of brothers screenwriter.

Yep. I heard that’s what they were considering doing until the Kelvin movie got greenlit instead.

Overall the Kelvin movie was probably the better choice in terms of box office but I probably would’ve preferred the Romulan war idea because it did sound more original and different.

That’s something, the Romulan War. That’s a big event, it could have action and you probably can just invent your own characters.

Couldn’t they just carry on from the end instead of squeezing more new shows in between what we already have?

For how little Trek lore has fleshed out that imaginary bit of history, do we really need to be putting some detail to how we went from post-apocalyptic hellhole to utopian paradise in fifty years? Maybe some enterprising human stole a replicator off a Vulcan ship and reverse engineered it? Seeing the sausage being made may not be a great on screen adventure…

Eastern Europe isn’t the best example – while they’ve done okay extricating themselves from the communist wasteland, it was (and is) without its setbacks.

that’s what makes me so crazy. Discovery was the chance to reboot the “prime” universe but they have stubbornly stuck to this quisling versio

Not only that, they already did a Star Trek origin movie. Star TRek 2009. But sure lets put more money in it, have it fail, and then blame the box office on why we will never get more trek. Thats a great idea!

That was really a Kirk and Spock origin story. There’s a century of Federation/Starfleet before them that we know almost nothing about. Plenty of room for a good one-off story. Maybe a story 20-ish years before Discovery , with Captain April and Lt. Commander Pike? Could have a young Sarek, too.

First off do we even know what they mean by “origin”?

Could be about the founding of the federation, the Romulan War, or the early days of starfleet pre-Enterprise.

It may have nothing to do with Kirk and Spock, the Enterprise, might not be any kind of reboot or reset.

My gut says it’s set in the Kelvin timeline and it takes place post USS Kelvin but pre-2009 Trek. And I’m fine with that.

They already said it will be based in the prime universe, not the Kelvin. I don’t know why they framed that press release that way but I guess since the Kelvin movies are the current movies they wanted to make clear to people this movie is before all of that I guess.

And obviously will have nothing to do with Kirk and Spock because it will be before they were even born.

I agree. I’m not really interested in a ST origin film either, for the reasons you stated. I think, if they were to do one, it has to have some good hook. Say something like Kirk before Enterprise, or Robert April’s time on the Enterprise as its first captain, but I think that’s been pretty much done with Strange New Worlds.

Maybe Picard on the Stargazer before TNG?

Otherwise, you’ll be getting something with a cast of characters that you’ve never heard off, or, if you have, it’s been a line in an episode.

These announcements feel like Groundhog Day, don’t they? Maybe that’s the story they should tell.

A feature length version of Cause and Effect…

I’m guessing Romulan Star Empire Wars era setting.

Yeah, maybe it’s the concept Rick Berman pitched: a Romulan War film where the NX-01 is off vacationing at Risa.

How about Star Trek: Federation . Founding of the Federation, which is immediately followed by a crisis requiring the urgent launch of USS Federation (NCC-01). Scott Bakula has a cameo appearance as President Archer.

Here we go! :D

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Yeah but it’s not as exciting when we literally have a thousand years of that future now.

This is why prequels bore so many people when we already know so much about the future it’s setting up.

At least with the Kelvin movies they were smart to not make it a traditional prequel and people still hated those too.

I will never understand the obsession of going backwards when you have a fanbase that is constantly begging to go forward and prequels don’t attract new fans at all because they are made for oddly old fans in mind. You only cared about how Anakin became Vader in the prequels if you watched the OT.

We really know almost nothing (in canon) about the entire century that elapses between Enterprise and Discovery , though. I would have preferred Kelvin Movie 4 or even a post-TNG original movie (maybe with Patrick Stewart making a cameo) but I could get behind a canon treatment about the first years of the Federation.

If it’s really something good or interesting fine. If it’s just ‘this is how the Federation was formed” we already got that already.

Now if it’s the Romulan war or something then that’s at least something people can get excited about. But yeah we already know how it ends so maybe that won’t be it either.

I just can’t really get to excited about a prequel movie.

Yeah, I think the Romulan war would be a great premise for a movie, BUT according to TOS the battles were fought with “primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels which allowed no quarter, no captives, nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication; therefore, no human, Romulan or ally has ever seen the other.”

In other words canon would have to be completely ignored – we all know Enterprise completely disregarded the TOS take of the war as the NX-01 had visual comms, phase cannons and photonic torpedoes. If the story is a good one, I am totally good with ignoring canon, but of course others are not.

Yeah that’s always the issue with the Romulan War thing, it’s really hard to make a compelling story about it when you are fighting it without directly engaging the enemy.

That said I’m 100% convinced they will just ignore that and do what they want or just find an excuse to change ot. Look at SNW, this the show that has shown the Gorn years before they were supposed to be seen and completely changed Khan’s original timeline using TCW as the reason..

Discovery had an entire Klingon War when that didn’t remotely exist in canon.

So yeah it probably won’t matter that much end of the day. They will just make what they want and then will use some excuse to do it. That’s been the case since Enterprise as you said.

Exactly! Very well put!! I just wish someone from TPTB would listen already!

Think about it prequels are easy to make because most of the writing is done for you. You don’t have to come up with where these characters will go.

Only if they are old characters though. But this sounds like Enterprise and not SNW and it will be all new characters.

So, it would be set after Enterprise and before the Kelvin fiasco. Awesome.

Probably the Romulan Wars. And with no Enterprise. Not excited

If only I could insert the Will Farrel “I don’t believe you!” GIF.

Whatever this turns out to be, hopefully it will be interesting. More likely it will turn out to be just another dead Trek movie project.

So many of these stories do seem to go absolutely nowhere! However, I am not as negative about an origin story as some fans are. At this point, I am more neutral on the movie. I can see that under the right circumstances it could be quite interesting. Although prequels can be a tough sell to Star Trek fans. Ultimately the fact that’s a movie could work in its favor though. Less storylines to produce over the years might help keep the story focused! Though I am not sure it would be a box office draw.

I’ll believe it when I’ve seen it in theaters, listened to TrekMovie’s review, and have the blu-ray on my shelf 4 months later.

Where to place the Blu-ray tho?

Before ST09 or after Beyond? …or.. Before TOS?

They go in order of release, for me. But could this be the first Trek film I don’t purchase on disc? Time may tell…

It’s an origin story taking place in the prime universe so it will go either before or after Enterprise basically.

I’ll believe it when it actually happens. Also, Seth Grahame-Smith is not a good writer, so that doesn’t bode well.

My thoughts exactly.

I liked the book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, but not the movie.

I absolutely loved the Lego Batman movie, though. If he is able to incorporate Trek lore with as much care as he did for Batman, it could turn out to be a very good movie after all.

I’ll believe it when I’m sat i theatre turning off my phone with my Star Trek Origins screensaver and eating popcorn out my STO popcorn bucket (the lid in shape of the Starfleet A insignia )

He co wrote The Flash right? I really liked that , I could imagine something similar happening with Nero as happened with Zod in that (going back to 1st film via timetravel)

This is what’s over at Box Office Mojo: Untitled Star Trek: Beyond Sequel (????)

Grain of salt, anyone?

There are apparently two movies planned. Origin and Trek 4…

Actually there are three now including one that we all thought was DOA two minutes after it was announced.

Three movies in development from a studio who has cancelled four of them for 8 years now. And this will be the fourth new script for the next Kelvin movie.

That’s why everyone is very very confident this one is happening for sure. 🙄

The only thing we can take to the bank is we will see Section 31, starring Academy Award winner Michelle Yeoh!!

Pretty much.

And a studio that is broke and in debt with junk status. None of these will likely be made or just the super cheapy origin movie if they can keep the budget low.

My thoughts exactly as well.

I’m pretty sure you got your facts wrong.

Sigh. Why do the powers that be always want to go backward in the ST timeline and do origin stories and such?

Lack of confidence in new ideas and to make it as cheaply as possible, are two things that come to mind right away.

It’s simple. They don’t want all that trek nerd baggage. They want a movie anyone would go to see and understand.

How’s that working for them?

You don’t get it.

I don’t get it either? It’s not like the prequel stuff has been huge home runs or big money makers.

The Star Wars prequels made a lot of money. That’s what Paramount still looks at, even though they have yet to duplicate that financial success.

Yes but that’s STAR WARS! It’s going to make a lot of money period. And those prequels came out when it was just the OT and nothing else for literally decades. There was a lot of hype just returning to those stories.

This is not the same thing, especially when we already had so many prequels in Trek now and with mixed results. That said I’m not saying it can’t be successful but I don’t see any huge hype around it either because most fans just seem to want to go forward and not backwards.

All the negativity over this ‘announcement’ is well deserved. Just make a fcking movie already Paramount, Jesus.

But I suspect IF this one is real it’s probably a much cheaper movie being new actors and maybe something with a lot less explosions and FX. I suspect it will probably be around $100 million.

It’s certainly doesn’t sound like something they are pushing to make a billion dollars or anything. Only people who cares about a prequel will be mostly old fans and even they aren’t exactly excited about yet another prequel judging by all the reactions so far. Maybe they will attract an A list star or a well respected one to bring more hype to it.

But same time I been pushing to just do something NEW with new characters and setting forever now. Stop trouting out Kirk and Picard, take a real chance with the franchise for a change. I was hoping it would be Post Nemesis but I should be happy I finally got half of what I wanted lol.

But I’ll believe it when I see it. I have literally been saying this line for six years now and I’m really tired of saying it. 🙄

Yup, exactly. Assuming it even happens, the premise sounds weak. Not surprised.

Yep. Unless it’s something truly mind blowing it’s not going to elicit a lot of excitement. Sure we’ll all go lol but I don’t see this thing having any real pull beyond the true believers.

It probably got the greenlight because its really cheap and it’s becoming embarrassing how long this franchise has languished.

I really only go to movie theaters to see Trek films (much prefer the comforts of home to see movies), so yup I’ll be going, good or bad. And yes, it is really pathetic the way this franchise has been treated on the big screen for the past 20 years. Disgraceful.

Ummm… what premise?? The only thing we know is that it is an origin movie. Nothing else. There IS no premise yet…

I think he means just another origin story itself feels a bit tired. But yes we don’t specifically know what that means yet but anything before TOS at this point just doesn’t really get a lot of fans all that hot and bother.

Whatever it ends up being it’s just filling in to more history we already know.

I get it. But no matter what era they make a movie in, there will be complaints. We have done prequels – some fans hate that. We have done same era as TNGish – fans complained. Likewise, we have had a show set in the future (soon to be another) – fans complained. There aren’t many options left.

Before TOS: Enterprise, JJ movies, Discovery, SNW just after TNG era: Picard, Prodigy, Lower Decks Future: Discovery, Starfleet Academy

Do they just make things in the era of TNG, DS9 and Voyager? No matter what is produced, there will always be a fan base that is unhappy.

Most people seem to really want the Legacy show though. I think for the majority of fans they may not agree with everything but there is definitely a sense they rather go forwards than backwards and why 4 of the 5 shows are post Nemesis shows.

And if you gave the option between a Legacy movie or this prequel idea, it wouldn’t be close.

I just don’t think making a prequel movie is the best idea out there. And I don’t think new audiences will remotely care one way or the other.

I’m going to start reporting you now. One guy got the boot for being an obsessive troll and like you was already banned before anyway.

Leave me alone from this point on. I mean it.

What a total disappointment. I wanted to see the Kelvin crew return. It’s going to be 10 years between films.

Please be Kirk and Spock at least.

Check the first paragraph of the article out again. This one is presumably being developed ‘in parallel’ to the Kelvin crew sequel.

Recast Kirk and Spock, I presume?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the main character is Kirk’s great grandfather, Tiberius something or other.

And not surprised there was no announcement of the next JJ verse movie. I predicted a few weeks ago that one wouldn’t get made by 2026 or the 60th anniversary. Frankly I don’t even know why they are even bothering with it anymore? Whenever it’s supposed to come out it’s already going to be the last one and over 10 years since the last one came out.

What’s even the point? They are clearly moving on from it.

As far as the origin movie why not just make it for the 60th anniversary? Why rush it? It’s already been nearly a decade, what’s one more year at this point and you can Marley it better in an anniversary year.

Its the reverse of ST 6, here we getting the prequel movie instead of the final cast film (for the anniversary)

Someone on another board said we are probably getting the sequel to First Contact so it would make sense to have it for the 6Oth anniversary 30 years apart lol.

“[S]et decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film?”

Gimme Archer & T’Pol, or else…

Neither actor has any interest in returning to Star Trek, so that won’t happen.

I’ve only heard Bakula say that about Quantum Leap , not Enterprise . And this is a feature film, a lot harder for an actor to turn down. I agree with his decision to ignore the QL reboot (that series didn’t capture the heart and soul of the original at all) but if Paramount approached him with “we want you to play President Archer for a few scenes in this movie” I doubt he’d say no.

No, no no. You’ve got it all wrong. It’s a story about a little design firm vying for the chance to design the Enterprise. It’s a story about a plucky band of mechanical engineers and physicists who come together to do the best pitch of their lives in a bidding war with three other firms. So, an origin story…from a certain point of view. ;)

I would watch,THAT!

I would write that!

I would direct that! (If I was Christopher Nolan)

No, I want Nolan doing ThePrisoner! He’s already got a script from the guy who wrote 12 Monkeys and the best stuff in Blade Runner, from over a decade back.

You probably meant it as a joke, but I’m also intrigued by this idea :D

Charlie Kaufmann does star trek.

Sure, you can store anti-matter in a glass jar. What could possibly go wrong?

Y’know, I know this is said partly in jest, but I wouldn’t mind that kind of movie if it was sort of a space race / WWII / Cold War drama, kind of a mix of Oppenheimer and The Right Stuff.

There’s a geo (spatio?) political angle (firm up the borders of the Federation, mitigate threats, and establish new allies while keeping up the exploration / first contact initiatives), the pressure on the engineering team to deliver groundbreaking new tech (and probably the cost of failed experiments, accidents, etc.), and then recruiting and training a new kind of crew – a starship crew (as Captain Merrick described them in ‘Bread and Circuses’.)

In essence, the origin of Starfleet as we know it – the first long-duration missions, the best of the best crewmembers, cross-trained, multidisciplinary, and for the first time, widely multi-species, etc.

Glad you all like. Paramount, you can send the check to: bmar, care of….

I’m thinking there’s going to be peace in the Middle East and nuclear fusion power is going to be a reality before they ever get back to the theaters.

Once upon a time I enjoyed Star Trek. Since the Nu Trek era began. I havent enjoyed any of the story arcs. They are just too aweful. There is a multitude of reasons why throught the web. Strange New Worlds S1 corrected course, however S2 not so. There are forces at work at Paramount. They are hell bent to destroy Star Trek. If Kurtzman and crew are in charge of the new movie. Get ready for more fantasy drama nonsense, and less plausable sci-fi.

Same here. I can’t get into NuTrek much at all. It feels like a shell of the golden era. For me that will always be 1966-2005.

But if others like it and getting new fans I’m very happy for them.

Same here. I’ve found a few gems in SNW S1, PIC S3, and S1 of Prodigy, but otherwise have been very disappointed in “NuTrek.” Of course I wish the franchise the best, but so far it’s been more misses than hits for me.

Yes I truly love Picard season 3! The best thing to come out of NuTrek so far. I don’t hate SNW but it railroads canon too much for my taste but it does feel like Star Trek again.

I haven’t seen Prodigy yet but I plan to watch it when season 2 begins and will watch season 1 before that one. Everyone kept saying it’s for kids and I’m far from a kid these days lol. But others here convinced me it’s a show for adults too so will give it a go

Wow, hell-bent on destroying Trek. Hell-bent, you say!! Just a tough melodramatic, are you?

Really don’t care about prequels and just want to keep going forward. Why not a movie in the 25th or 26th century with new crew and characters?

I may care more if Archer is involved or something. But I suspect this movie will bomb like the last one did. Only fans cares about prequels. New fans won’t care at all.

At least it’s in the prime universe again I guess.

But 25th or 26th century would still be a prequel to Discovery’s 32nd century :D

That doesn’t bother me because we don’t know anything about those time periods. We already know plenty about everything before TOS because it’s all been said or told now

Yeah I said this to another member the other day discussing any post Picard stories and that it will be completely new stories in a period we don’t know so it’s not the same thing. When you’re doing something like a TOS prequel you only have so much room and while it can certainly be interesting and creative it basically just like filling in to more stuff we already know.

That said the Section 31 movie time period is at least more interesting because it covers a much wider time period and they can be a lot more freer with the technology, etc so looking forward to that at least.

Yes I will admit although I’m not a big fan of the Space Nazi the time period of the movie intrigues me more. I always been curious of this period and the lead up to TNG, mostly because we know very little about it.

Discovery (in my view) kind of ruined everything in the Trek timelime. Just my opinion. Anyone who wants to just forget it happened, I’m in. Kidding, not kidding.

Agreed! I also don’t think it will be allegorical science fiction or be anything thought provoking. It will be a fast paced action adventure story that’s empty of depth and soul. Modern Star Trek is more interested in spectacle than compelling stories.

I’d guess that it means “origin of the TOS crew,” but that’s kind of weird, because we saw that in 2009.

Maybe this time they’ll start when they’re toddlers. (I kid, but not really). :)

They are going to re-do ‘A night in Sickbay’ like they did with Wrath of Khan/Into Darkness. It’ll be the same but different…..

Could this be their way of doing a George Kirk movie?

I would want to watch that, colour me intrigued…

“set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film.”

Original 2009 Sta Trek film Sounds so wrong.

there is only two star trek origin stories i want to see the formation of the federation and it’s first few years if they have to adapt the rise of the federation novels for the movie and the origins of the borg they could adapt the plot ffor thet from the star trek destiny novels for a movie

Spot on, on both points!

2025? I hope it works out…

First we hear we are getting a Star Fleet Space Academy series that no one wants. The idea was mentioned in the 1980’s and shot down by fans. Now a retake on a Star Trek Origins films. Is any one currently running the Star Trek franchise in TV/streaming or film even listening to what the fans both old and new are saying?

It would seem not, sadly. How about establishing the time period between TUC and TNG, there’s a literal ton of stories to tell there? How the possibilities for storytelling within the franchise have been squandered over the years makes me frustrated, and frankly confused. SO many missed opportunities.

The upcoming section 31 movie will be set during that time frame as we know a young Rachel Garrett who later in life will be the captain of the enterprise c and defend the Klingon colony of narendra 3 will be in the movie maybe we will get to see the ent-b also again

Pointless movie as no audience will come see it at best it will make half its budget back. I mean they spent $250M on the 2009 movie and it showed on screen….you already know they are not spending that level otherwise it would be a Kelvin cast sequel!

I believe they spent just under 160 mil on the 09 (not counting the interest payments for holding the finished film for six months to get a summer release, or prints/advertising.) You’re probably thinking of BEYOND with the 250 number.

I still can’t see the money on screen in the 09, shooting in the damn brewery was Corman-level cheap.

The Numbers have the 09 costs 140 and BO Mojo sez 150, so yeah, way under the 250m you mention.

Can the ethos of Trek be distilled by JJ? Bob orci was bad for trek.

Kurtzman seemed to fall into trap w/discovery season 1.

Season 2, Picard, Lower Decks and SNW definitely sealed my thinking that Trek was in right hands.

Is section 31 and Rachel Garrett the right pivot for Trek? I thought 24th/25th century had plenty of stories to still tell.

Enterprise C, and possibly Tasha Yar/Sela after the events of Yesterday’s Enterprise! This should reboot TNG/Picard if ST: Legacy doesn’t happen.

Lower Decks makes me laugh Picard made me cry (good) SNW made me feel like Kurtzman should be trusted 💯

Great. Abrams ruined Star Wars and he’s finishing of Star Trek.

JJ had a planed out story plot for what he wanted to happen in the sequels but rian johnson chose to deviate from what jj had payed out so when jj returned for episode 9 he had to try and make the best of it and make his original story plot work but with the changes Johnson had made altering it so he had to come up with another evil sith mastermind and chose palpatine and he did course correct Rey’s lineage though it was different from who he had initially planned it to be and with Carrie fishers untimely passing he had to rewrite more and he had Luke show up as a force ghost to help rey when she returned to ach-to as apparently he was never going to have Luke die until the the final battle

I hope it has nudity

….and “Invincible” level action. It’ll be a hard R Quinton Tarentino could love.

Yes, we are on the same page.

CinemaCon basically works like a network upfront. You see clips and hear a lot of announcements. When there’s no cast or start date for announced projects, there’s maybe a 50/50 chance that the project will actually move forward (I was with a former employer for over 8 years and we announced a lot of stuff that generated a lot of buzz but then never materialized).

I think Brian Robbins will be gone within the next 12 months and if Robbins is pushed out this film is dead in the water.

This is probably the right answer.

I have next to no faith this will actually happen but they only have themselves to blame lol.

I remember a former poster kept saying ‘well this a new regime ‘ they aren’t the old guys’. Uh huh. It just shows end of the day they might be different but they still answer to the same shareholders and they know another Trek film is risky. Maybe this will finally get beyond a script this time but no one will be convinced until they start shooting the thing.

Rehashing old fandom letter campaign complaints from 40 years ago, don’t equate to the modern sci-fi fan, let alone the majority of Star Trek fans of 2024. The majority of complaints in the article comments are that there isn’t enough new future timeline Star Trek, so why would people NOT want a Star Fleet Academy series – new stories, new characters, new ships, new alien species/planets etc? An Origin movie is a vague enough description that it’s probably likely that the fandom can’t come anywhere close to a correct theory on when in the Trek timeline, this movie could be set.

I agreed with a commenter earlier, a George Kirk prequel movie would satisfy a lot of the fans, and hopefully generate enough interest for new and casual Star Trek moviegoers to warrant their going to a cinema complex. As to want the hardcore Star Trek fandom really want? There is too much dissent and bitter recriminations gone by, for any serious agreement by the fandom of their requirements, to stick for any longer than the next Trek major media article to be issued. And even if a majority agreement could be achieved – then we have the Mount Everest of EP Alex Kurtzman / Secret Hideout control of Trek production, to climb. A movie or series could have a billion-dollar budget, stellar A-list cast and crew, critical media acclaim for the story / screenplay. A favourable release timing and viral marketing, but fall at the last hurdle – the box office, due to the mountain of hate piled up against Paramount, Kurzman and his associates.

Now, as to the overall custodianship of the Trek franchise and its operation as a business, in general by Paramount, and its contracted creatives? Well, that’s a whole Hollywood chapter in itself. And is any of that even relevant in the long term, with the behind-the-scenes Harry Potter Wizard chess moves that are going on at the studio ownership, and network controlling interest levels? Apologies for the extended and extensive reply.

The first thing to do in order make a successful Star Trek movie is to ignore Star Trek fans.

God, please, no origin stories.

Star Trek: The Beginning, Part 1 — A Final Frontier Origin Story

Star Trek has always been a production dealing with many human issues pushing open the veils of awkwardness, embarrassment, and unaddressed behaviors that represent our culture planet wide. Thank You Star Trek. The one thing Paramount+ did that was just totally in bad taste was cancel Prodigy, bunch of morons.

Every fan’s preferences are different, but over the years I’ve ended up streamlining various ‘franchises’ I enjoy to my own liking when it comes to a re-watch – and these days my own limited Star Trek ‘canon’ purely consists of kicking things off with ‘The Cage’ pilot storyline….followed by my specific favourite TOS episodes in ‘production order’ (starting with ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’, and skipping ‘The Menagerie’ two-part storyline)….followed by all the TOS movie storylines….and ending the Kirk crew’s adventures with ‘The Undiscovered Country’ as my preferred send-off for them all….then skip the antics of the ‘Generations’ movie, and instead continue on with my specific favourite TNG episodes (starting with the ‘Encounter At Farpoint’ introduction to Picard and his crew)….and then conclude the entire thing with the ‘First Contact’ movie’s storyline – which covers the development of ‘warp drive’, bringing everything full circle, and giving me all the ‘origin’ specifics I need..

All other ‘Trek-related shows and movies since then remain firmly on my ‘one-watch-only’ list, but I’m more than content with what I’ve outlined above.

I don’t know if I’ll ever get a ‘Star Trek’ movie which goes much deeper than glossy ‘pew-pew’ action and explosions in the future, but I remain hopeful.there might be a storyline that I really like again.

In the meantime, for my latest ‘alien contact’ fix, I’ve just finished up enjoying the excellent ‘Three-Body’ show’s inventive storyline and characters – the subtitled, 30-episode one produced by Tencent, which is currently available on YouTube and Amazon Prime (not the muddled 8-episode ‘3 Body Problem’ version by Netflix) – So much so, that I’m intending to buy the actual trilogy of books by the Chinese author, as I can’t wait for the next season to be made to find out what happens next. Some big ideas to come by all accounts, and I’m there for a bit more of that. .

The Netflix series is Superior

You’re welcome to your own preference of course.

But I far preferred the slow burn of the mystery and character build-ups in the Tencent version compared to the condensed and altered Netflix adaption. I just happen to find it a more satisfying and riveting version overall – and I will always prefer the way the ‘Judgment Day’ tanker got ‘nano-spliced’ in the Tencent version. Such an awesome sequence from start to finish!

Anyway, if the Netflix version actually gets a second season, I’ll certainly check it out too….but I am definitely looking forward to the next season of the Tencent show, which has been greenlit already.

The Tencent version is just boring to me and you can feel the Party’s hands all over it. Glad you liked it though.

I did indeed like it. A lot. I hadn’t read the books as I said, so didn’t know what to expect. Having read up on a few things since watching both shows, it seems that that there’s plenty of others that much prefer the slower build-up of the Tencent version too.

While it doesn’t include the likes of the brutal Netflix show’s opening, the hardship that the main female character endured was covered sufficiently for me throughout the show, and I’m just glad that I got to know her story by watching this version first.

And I sure didn’t miss the amount of unnecessary swearing that the Netflix version included either, which gave the Tencent version additional points. I don’t appreciate it my ‘Star Trek’ viewing, and I didn’t need it in the telling of this memorable sci-fi tale either.

And just to add, that even better for me is the fact that there’s now been a 26-episode ‘Anniversary Edition’ version of the Tencent show released, which has been re-edited by the director.

It seemingly cuts down on some ‘filler’ run-time that was added for the sake of the show’s producers initially, so that things will follow the original book’s contents even more closely now, and improve on the pacing of the show overall. I’m very pleased about that.

Whats so bad about swearing? The human race has been swearing since language was invented and we’ll be swearing 10,000 years from now.

Again, it’s just a personal preference thing.

There’s plenty of hard-edged movies and shows that contain wall-to-wall swearing which I can watch if I’m in the mood for them. But other times I’m equally inclined to watch something with less harsh language throughout.

I really disliked the F-bombs which the ‘Picard’ show included for instance, and didn’t think the ‘Star Trek’ franchise was the better for it. And I doubt that I would have enjoyed the Tencent ‘Three-Body’ adaption any better if it had contained bad language too.

Anyway, back to this supposed ‘Star Trek origin movie. I’d like to think it won’t be littered with F-bombs either.

PG13 are allowed 1 f bomb (like Guardians 3 I finally saw other night). And Trek is very comfortable to f bombs in Picard etc so safe to say we’ll be getting Treks first movie f bomb next film :)

Data said “Oh $hit” in Generations.

Which was very mild compared to what we heard in ‘Picard” Not that I would wish to show my younger family members the ‘Picard’ show anyway, considering it turned out to be so dire overall.

However, Data’s reaction was hilarious in that scene’s context I recall. Just a pity the rest of the movie was such a dud, and not part of my own ‘Star Trek’ canon anymore.

I’ll always wonder what the Tarantino script would have given us….

we don’t need origin stories for everything! in media res is the way to go – almost always – TOS just dumps you right in the middle of events without even the clunky intros of TNG Encounter at Farpoint.

If this movie does well will IT get an origin story? We’re going to end up at the pool of goo at the dawn of humankind waiting for Picard and Q to show up…

im happy with any good trek news… even if they made a direct sequel to the final frontier… but how many origin stories do we need? i’d be happy if someone forged a path forward and created new things…

So this one is set in the five-minute period between Enterprise and Discovery? Or the as-yet unexplored time between April 5th 2063 and Enterprise where it’s “stone knives and bear skins” and no Trek tech to speak of? Enterprise was the prequel! How’d that one work out?

If the movie is made ,I will judge it then.

I wanted the 4th Kelvin, do they know who their audience is? Nobody i know, Star Trek fan or general audience bothered to go see Beyond. It was like Nemesis all over again. The trailer was terrible, the movie was kind of meh to be honest. So in the intervening years since the 2009 somewhere they lost the audience. Star Trek 2009 was an event movie, and 2015 Force Awakens was as well. Good job letting JJ go to Disney so Star Trek died as a film series.

I’m guessing the fourth movie is still too costly to risk making another one at least right now.

Someone threw out an an interesting theory on the last thread discussing this for the 47th time that they suggested Paramount have no plans to actually make another Kelvin movie but just as a rouse for the next company that buys the studio.

It really makes sense at this point, they can dangle the idea the movie is in ‘development’ and then when someone actually buys it they can just decide to make it or cancel it.

I mean it doesn’t sound crazy considering where we are. It’s a movie that is working with their fourth new writer but there is still no director or even a starting date of any kind within the the next two years.

Them you have this origin movie that was just announced a few months ago and that’s already scheduled to come out next year. My guess is it will probably cost half of what another Kelvin movie would be. But yeah who knows if that will get made either, but it has a better chance than a Kelvin movie.

Ikr, Beyond totally killed interest the series , the Fast Furious teaser trailer was bad, the second trailer gave away the twist, the audience (who cared about that stuff) knew JJ had crossed over to SW (which gave the behemoth of SW7 even more publicity, making ST feel less an event), there was no hook for fans or even general moviegoers like there was for ST09/ID (like if Shatner had returned or the Borg being the villain again) and nothing ‘big’ happening in the canon like the previous ones (Orcis ST3 had the timeline under threat of being wiped out, which would’ve been a huge deal) the eventual movie was kind of meh as you say and was just abit nerdy and Insurrection looking (like it was for hard core fans only).

At the time i had some friends (some who were casual Trek fans, and some even disliked Trek) who thought 09/ID were awesome and they didn’t even bother to see Beyond bc of the trailers and the general vibe (its like it felt like abit of a turkey, like other big sequels/remakes that summer, Ghostbusters, Independence Day 2 etc, )

I actually agree with all of this and I personally think Beyond was the best of the three.

But you’re right, there was really no hook for the movie and that first trailer was just awful. It almost kept me away from watching it.

But the biggest problem is the new fans just lost interest by then. I always bring up the fact I had three friends who had never seen Star Trek before went to go see the first film and generally loved it. I thought it was truly bad but fine for a brainless action movie.

But by the time Beyond showed up all three had zero interest in the franchise by that point. They just stopped caring. I remember asking one of them that saw the first two movies in the theater if he planned to watch Beyond and his response was no because now Star Wars was back and he rather just watch that. And he thought it looked boring.

That’s the entire problem trying to get new fans onboard and a lot of them were like my friends who just saw these movies as another summer action movie but nothing beyond that. They never cared about the franchise itself and so it was very easy to move on when the next shiny toy showed up.

That’s exactly why I don’t see another one doing all that well because to newbies it’s still Star Trek and it’s not cool enough to fully get into and will probably bomb again unless the budget is just super low.

I watched Guardians Vol 3 the other night on dvd and it (and previous 2) kind of felt the same as Beyond abit , the look, the vibe, the action, set pieces, the humour, the rock songs etc . so really with Guardians (that Beyond tried to ape), along with the return of SW, Trek 3 had no chance with casual movie goers who would just consider it Guardians/SW lite , (between the generational event of SW7 and the next GOTG vol 2) .. Even more reason to have gone with Orci’s more ‘star trek’ version of ST3 featuring Shatner

I can’t name anyone who actually wants an origin movie. By the way, didn’t we get that one with First Contact already anyway?

It’s not up to you or anyone you pretend to know.

Another prequel? This is getting ridiculous now. Remember when Star Trek used to go forwards? Enough already!

Kurtzman said he didn’t have the authority to greenlight legacy. I wonder if that will be like Bennet’s academy years and never happen.

18 months is not enough time for a movie of this size unless this is ready to shoot in july.

The JJ-verse is an aberration no one is particularly a fan of. There is no one who wants to how that mess started. It’s done nothing but foul everything that went before, leaving ST-ENT, of all things, as the only remaining official classic canon. Bugger that.

I need Star Trek that is hopeful, aspirational, and inspirational. 15 yrs later neither Bad Robot or Secret Hideout has done anything close to that. Sec 31 and Starfleet Academy aren’t anything viewers want. I wish they’d just stop.

lol,if you say so…

EXCLUSIVE: Former Anonymous writer of Trek 4 shares his experience

Interviewer: Hello, we are here today to talk to a former writer for the very very very (like really very) long delayed fourth Kelvin movie. With the announcement of a prequel movie being released instead and yet ANOTHER new set of writers for the next Kelvin movie, we reached out to the only person who returned our calls; a former writer from the 2023 project.

To give us an honest insight into his experience he wishes to remain anonymous. For the sake of this interview he will be simply referred to as ‘GotohellParamount’. Thank you for meeting with me today.”

GotohellParamount’: “You’re welcome.”

Interviewer: “It sounds like your experience working on the last movie didn’t end too well. How is your relationship with the studio today?”

GotohellParamount: “Bleep them in their bleeping bleepholes. I hope they all die from bleeping Ebola.”

Interviewer: ‘That’s some pretty colorful metaphors. Can I ask what happened?”

GotohellParamount: “Their bleeps that’s what. We spent a year working on that movie. We lost the director to go work for Marvel because these bleepholes kept bleeping us around. I got so frustrated I finally texted the Head Studio Guy and said ‘will you people stop bleeping around!? Get off your bleeps and let’s make a movie already!!’

Three weeks went by and I finally got a response from them. It simply read ‘K’. Bleepholes!!! By the way you’re not going to ‘bleep’ any of these words out are you?”

Interviewer: “Um…of course not. Can you tell us a little about what the movie was about?”

GotohellParamount: “The gist was a huge black ship comes from the 25th century to the 23rd century wiping out solar systems in the Federation. It was a new villain who wanted…wait for it…vengeance. That bleep was going to be bleeping awesome!!”

Interviewer: “So who was going to be the villain?”

GotohellParamount: “That’s the greatest part of it all. He was going to call himself…you ready: Kaos. JJ Abrams himself came up with that name. But then the true reveal was that he was indeed Kirk’s great great great great great great great great great great grandson from the future and came to stop Kirk from destroying his planet so he had to destroy the Federation first. We were even thinking Chris Pine can play both parts but Paramount was worried he would demand twice the salary.”

Interviewer: “I interviewed Chris Pine a few months ago and he was hoping there would be more scenes of him riding another motorcycle. Did you include that in the script?”

GotohellParamount: “Do you remember the ending of Mission Impossible 2 with the motorcycle duel? Pretty much the same ending with our movie with Kirk versus his evil grandson; except it was going to take place either on Romulus or in San Francisco. We were still figuring it out. There was even talk of it happening on a lava planet… but that would’ve ballooned the budget.

Interviewer: “Sounds very exciting. How was he going to wipe out the solar systems?”

GotohellParamount: “The ship he was on had the power to destroy stars by breaking down their fusion reactions. The FX was going to be bleeping sick.”

Interviewer: “Wait so the ship was a…Star destroyer?”

GotohellParamount: “Yep but to get around copyright issues JJ wanted to call it a Destroyer of Stars. The man is a bleeping genius I tell you.”

Interviewer: “It’s definitely a name.”

GotohellParamount: “We were so proud of the script. We gave it to JJ to read it. After he put it down, he took off his glasses put his hand on my shoulders and said ‘this is the most original Star Trek story I’ve ever read and I’ve read three of them.’ You have no idea how much that meant coming from such a visionary like him.”

Interviewer: “I’m sure you were. Was there any casting possibilities before it was shut down?”

GotohellParamount: “Was there?? We reached out to some incredible actors! Robert Downey Jr, Florence Pugh, Emily Blunt, Cillian Murphy and Matt Damon. We wanted him to actually play Kirk’s evil grandson.

Interviewer: “Wait… weren’t all of them in Oppenheimer?’

GotohellParamount: “(Hard shrug)! I don’t know I haven’t seen it yet. Unfortunately Matt Damon’s agent was the only one who bothered to call us back. Apparently he always wanted to work with John Cho. Go figure? Too late now unfortunately.”

Interviewer: “Well that’s all the time we have. Thank you for your incredible and honest insight. Any thoughts on the new movie announcement or the chances either one will actually get made?”

GotohellParamount: (Laughs for three minutes). That’s it.”

Interviewer: “Thank you.’

I laugh every.single.time! 😂

Well done per usual.

Nice. Don’t forget to throw the Beastie Boys in there someplace…wouldn’t be a Kelvin film without them…

Haha correct. How I let that one slide you got me. Having an off day I guess!

This was indeed hilarious! 😂

I love how you parody JJ Abrams. He doesn’t seem to have an original bone in his body looking at both his Star Trek and Star Wars movies.

Lol nope! I still remember watching Honest Trailer for Star Trek Into Dumbness and they even showed how much that movie copied the first one lol.

The fact both movies ended back at San Francisco when your series takes place in the freaking galaxy should tell you everything wrong with these movies.

that actually sounds like a legit potential Kelvin ST4 – Kirks evil great great grandson Kaos (Matt Damon) comes back to 23rd century to kill Kirk in his big star destroyer (sorry ‘destroyer of stars’) ship! Brilliant!!

That’s the insane part, this idea could actually pass for a Kelvin movie lol.

Thank you! 😁

Coming out of my lurker mode to say this is brilliant. I laughed my bleep off!

So glad you enjoyed it my friend! 😄

I bleeping love making them lol.

Another prequel? Why can’t they come up with new material?

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Klingons, The Borg and Tribble Tenders: Remembering ‘Star Trek: The Experience’

It’s been nearly 15 years since you could belly up to Quark’s Bar, order a Bacon Cheese Borger or The Wrap of Khan, then wash it all down with a James Tea Kirk.

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It’s hard to believe it’s been nearly 15 years since you could belly up to Quark’s Bar, order a Bacon Cheese Borger and some Tribble Tenders, or maybe The Wrap of Khan if you were in the mood for something lighter, then wash it all down with a James Tea Kirk.

Las Vegas once again will be the center of the “Star Trek” universe this week with the return of the annual fan convention at the Rio. But that’s just four days — a far cry from the decade that the series, in all its many incarnations, ruled the Las Vegas Hilton.

“Star Trek: The Experience” was announced with great fanfare on Jan. 24, 1995, with plans to open late the following year to coincide with the show’s 30th anniversary.

When it finally opened Jan. 4, 1998, following multiple delays, fans paid as much as $100 for a preview of the attraction that would cost the general public just $9.95. All 15,000 T-shirts and 15,000 sweatshirts celebrating the maiden voyage sold out on opening day.

The $70 million “Experience” covered 65,000 square feet and could handle as many as 1,000 guests an hour. It would need to for the Hilton, the hotel currently known as the Westgate, to start making any money off its investment. We reported before the opening that the Hilton had covered most of the construction costs, while Paramount, the studio that held the “Star Trek” rights, would receive all the revenue from admissions and merchandise. The plan was for the hotel to benefit from the added foot traffic and players who sought out its adjacent $30 million SpaceQuest casino.

Quark’s Bar & Restaurant, based on the Ferengi-run establishment from TV, was the centerpiece of a re-creation of the promenade from “Deep Space Nine.” With five shops, including Zek’s Grand Emporium and Moogie’s Trading Post, fans could buy everything from “Star Trek” trinkets to a full Klingon uniform that went for $12,000.

A cast of more than 100 costumed actors worked the grounds, and a museum called History of the Future boasted more than 200 items and was billed as the largest collection of “Star Trek” props and costumes in the world.

The big draw, though, was “The Klingon Encounter,” in which guests were beamed aboard the USS Enterprise, complete with an exact replica of the ship’s bridge, for a four- to five-minute motion simulator ride.

In 2004, “The Experience” was updated with “Borg Invasion 4D,” which let visitors tour a 24th century research facility and see an original seven-minute film starring “Voyager” actors Robert Picardo and Kate Mulgrew.

Four years later, the luster — of both “Star Trek” and “The Experience” — had dulled. When the attraction opened, “Deep Space Nine” and “Voyager” were in production, and the movies had been coming out every two to three years since 1979. By 2008, “Enterprise” had been off the air for three years, part of a more than 12-year hiatus between shows, and the movie franchise had been dormant for more than six years.

Admission, meanwhile, had increased to $42.99 — or $33.99 with a valid Nevada ID.

“Star Trek: The Experience” launched its final mission on Sept. 1, 2008. The next month, Mayor Oscar Goodman told reporters the attraction would be moving downtown. Neonopolis developer Rohit Joshi added, “We are in very serious negotiations.”

Those plans, unlike any series regular returning to the Holodeck, never materialized. In April 2010, most of the “Star Trek: The Experience” fixtures were sold — a table and four chairs from Quark’s Bar for $195, Borg alcoves for $600 to $800. Some of the bigger pieces were saved for an auction that August during that year’s “Star Trek” convention, where signs from Quark’s went for as much as $4,750.

Contact Christopher Lawrence at [email protected] or 702-380-4567. Follow @life_onthecouch on Twitter.

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Family Business (episode)

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1.2 Act One
1.3 Act Two
1.4 Act Three
1.5 Act Four
1.6 Act Five
2 Memorable quotes
3.1 Story and script
3.2 Production
3.3 Reception
3.4 Continuity and Trivia
3.5 Video and DVD releases
4.1 Starring
4.2 Also starring
4.3 Guest Stars
4.4 Special Guest Star
4.5 Co-Star
4.6 Uncredited Co-Stars
4.7.1 Unreferenced material
4.8 External links

Summary [ ]

Sisko is in his quarters fixing chicken paprikash and humming to himself cheerily as Jake enters. As he only cooks Hungarian food when he is in a good mood, Jake deduces that his father has convinced the Peljenites to exchange ambassadors with the Federation . As they begin their meal, Jake casually brings up Kasidy Yates , a freighter captain he is eager to introduce to his father, as he mentioned before. Sisko attempts to cool Jake's heels but acknowledges he will meet Yates soon enough.

In Quark's , business is booming, and the bar is packed but Nog is nowhere to be found. Rom reveals that his son is studying for his entrance examinations for Starfleet Academy , much to Quark 's chagrin. Nog, he claims, will cause the end of Ferengi civilization by joining Starfleet and abandoning the pursuit of profit . Although Quark claims Nog wants to be " hew-mon ", Rom jokingly claims he simply wants a job with better hours. Quark is not amused.

Their business is interrupted as Brunt , a liquidator from the Ferengi Commerce Authority , enters to post a writ of accountability on Quark's wall. Panicking, Rom immediately tells all patrons to vacate the premises; the bar is now closed.

Act One [ ]

Brunt is now behind the deserted bar, busily working a PADD as Quark and Rom sit nervously. Rom attempts to make smalltalk with Brunt while they wait but Quark is not amused. Suspiciously, Brunt asks if they have listed all of the bar's profits, reminding him of the severe fines they will face if they have lied to the FCA; on double-checking the figures on the PADD, Quark conveniently claims Rom has forgotten to add the profits from their tulaberry wine franchise. Once his brother leaves to retrieve the figures, Quark inquires about what he has been charged with, paying the customary bribes to first learn which law he has broken and then to borrow a copy of the law to read. By this time, Rom has returned, and Quark discovers his crime is improper supervision of a family member. Another bribe reveals that Ishka , Quark and Rom's mother, has been charged with earning profit.

Quark next stops by the security office to see Odo , informing the constable that he will be taking a trip to Ferenginar and will hold Odo personally accountable for the security of his bar in the meantime. As Odo has already learned of Quark's trouble with the FCA, the Ferengi reveals that he will have to pay for his mother's crimes unless he convinces her to confess and make restitution for whatever she has done.

Meanwhile, Sisko and Kira arrive in Ops , where Sisko informs her that he has decided to name Deep Space 9 's newest runabout the Rubicon . The major teases him about his habit of naming runabouts after Earth 's rivers before she goes to work, noting how many runabouts the crew seems to go through. Dax intercepts Sisko on the way to his office to eagerly ask about Kasidy Yates ; it seems Jake has told her already. Although Sisko has yet to meet Yates, Dax has, and she claims Curzon would have stolen the freighter captain by now. Sisko tells her he is glad she is not Curzon anymore.

On the way to the airlock , Rom catches up with his brother to announce that he too is going to Ferenginar. With the bar closed, he is eager to see " Moogie " again. Quark does not want Rom to accompany him, as he always takes their mother's side in arguments – even in calling her Moogie, a childish nickname that Quark detests. However, he agrees to let Rom come along.

Act Two [ ]

Quark and Rom bring Brunt to their boyhood home on Ferenginar, where Brunt pays the standard "admission fee" and signs a legal waiver to cover potential theft. Rom is glad to be home again, but Quark appears uneasy about the number of new items in his mother's house. Rom finds his old tooth sharpener , which reminds Quark of how he only had a chew stick when he was a child. Brunt interrupts them to give Quark a formal list of Ishka 's crimes and inform him they have three days to obtain a confession. However, a clothed Ishka enters the room and informs Brunt that she has no intention of giving one. Rom is glad to see his mother, but Quark tells her to undress immediately; Brunt meanwhile shields his eyes from the clothed female and is taken aback as she addresses him, a stranger, directly. He takes his leave after reminding Quark of the three day time limit. Quark attempts to reason with his mother, but believing she is standing up for all Ferengi women, she refuses. It is clear Ishka is pained to think of hurting her sons, whose reputations will suffer for her actions, yet she refuses to give in.

Bashir, O'Brien, Sisko, and Odo in front of Quark's

" It's going to take you a long time to get through that one. "

In front of Quark's, Bashir and Odo look on as O'Brien attempts to open the locking mechanism on the door. It seems their dartboard is locked inside, and though they could replicate another, Bashir claims it is "the principle of the thing". However, Odo is not optimistic given the convoluted lock Rom has put together. They are interrupted when Sisko stops by to inquire what is going on. O'Brien denies that the dartboard is lucky. Sisko observed that it will take a while to undo the tripartite microsealing mechanism Rom has constructed. He is on his way to a cargo bay ; O'Brien is under the mistaken impression the commander is on his way to meet Kasidy Yates. Although this isn't the case, it seems Jake has told everyone about his father meeting the freighter captain.

Rom comes to the table with a bowl of fresh tube grubs , having picked them himself since " Moogie " is not feeling well. Quark begins scheming to claim Ishka is mentally ill, but Rom reassures him she only has a rash from the newness of wearing clothes. The two reminisce about how independent their mother has always been, although Quark chooses to focus on the negative aspects. He claims she dragged their father down and that he will not let her do the same to him; right as he claims he will put her in her place, however, Ishka enters (fully clothed) and challenges him to do so. Rom is clearly proud of his mother's defiance. They sit down to eat, but Rom is surprised the FCA is making such a big deal when he learns that all Ishka has done is earn three bars of latinum by investing in Hupyrian beetles . Nonetheless, Quark is adamant that Ishka must repent, yet she remains equally adamant that Ferengi society is in desperate need of change. Additionally, Quark is worried about his mother, who will be sold into indentured servitude in addition to the stigma her sons will face. Although Ishka is acting from her heart, Quark accuses her of being selfish and not caring for anyone but herself.

Act Three [ ]

Later, Rom visits privately with Ishka in her bedroom, which is bland and utilitarian as per Ferengi traditions with regard to females. Ishka keeps it this way to remind her of the " idiotic " Ferengi traditions towards females. Though he is glad to see his Moogie Rom is uncomfortable, unaccustomed to seeing clothed Ferengi women so Ishka disrobes, but making this exception only for him. He is genuinely concerned about Quark and tries again to convince Ishka to pay back the bars of latinum she has earned. However, she reassures him Quark has always provided a generous stipend ; the issue is pride rather than money. She is willing to be sold into indentured servitude rather than pay back the three bars. As they embrace, Ishka lovingly tells Rom what a good son he is for being so concerned for Quark. Ishka then offers to sharpen Rom's teeth.

Sisko finally meets Kasidy Yates in the cargo bay, where she and her crew are loading cargo onto her freighter , the SS Xhosa . He learns that Yates' equipment is outdated before formal introductions. The two mire over Jake's over-zealous match-making attempts, but Yates must attend to the inertia moorer on her ship. As Sisko leaves, he hesitates, and Yates suggests they meet for coffee the next day at 18:00.

The next morning, Rom emerges sleepily from his room, cleaning his ear, to find Quark has been up all night on the computer . It seems Moogie has conducted business transactions under dozens of aliases, proving she has the " lobes " for business but earning so much Quark will never be able to pay it all back.

Act Four [ ]

Meanwhile, Quark is seated across the table from Rom, still in shock and with a faraway look in his eyes. Rom claims Quark is not the type to fly off the handle, that they will come up with a solution, but Quark claims to have found one: He will kill Ishka.

Quark enters Ishka's bedroom, where she attempts to hide a PADD she was using to try to hide still more earnings. As he confronts her, she claims he is jealous that a female is better at earning profit than he. She compares Quark to his father as Rom enters, but Quark refuses to believe that his mother did not receive help from a male or that his father was a business failure. Stubborn Ishka refuses to budge, so Quark storms out, headed for the FCA .

However, Rom follows him into the main room of Ishka's house and confronts Quark, claiming Ishka is right on both accounts. Quark is furious, yet Rom, who lived at home ten years longer than his brother, claims their father was a failure and only got by with Ishka's help. They each grab the other in the Ferengi equivalent of a brawl and knock over several pieces of furniture in their attempt to kill each other before Ishka enters to break it up. She reassures Rom she will be fine and tells Quark to do as he pleases. Once he leaves, she begins to cry.

Act Five [ ]

As he enters a waiting room at the Tower of Commerce , Quark observes how steep the 40 flights of stairs are and remarks of the seven strips of latinum required for the elevator , "Talk about inflation!" He asks to see Liquidator Brunt and sits down, but several seconds later, Rom enters, exhausted from running up the stairs. At first uninterested in whatever Rom has to say, Quark perks up when he hears Ishka plans to give him half her profits. Cheerily, he leaves an extra slip for the Secretary and takes the elevator down.

Back at home, Quark apologizes to his mother for everything he'd said before and stunning Ishka, asks how much profit she made so that they can divide it fairly. It turns out that Rom had lied to both, telling Quark that Ishka would split the profits, and Ishka that Quark wanted none of them and had done so in order to get them talking to each other. Showing backbone, he berates both brother and mother pointing out that Quark shows no respect to his mother and that if Quark can uncover her profits, the FCA surely could too. He then insists that they settle things – without shouting – while he heads off to take a nap . Ishka tells Quark that he's a lot like her, and that Rom is like his father: Rom, like his father, never understood the Rules of Acquisition , but Quark, like his mother, does. She agrees to imprint the confession for him, since she can't refuse him anything.

Back on the station, Sisko and Yates are having coffee at the Replimat and discussing New Orleans , Sisko's home. He recalls the good food and the great music . However, Yates looks uneasy, and breaks the news that she had a prior engagement, but a family one, as she was waiting for a subspace transmission from her youngest brother on Cestus III . Cestus III is on the other side of the Federation, and it takes two weeks for a transmission to reach Deep Space 9. When Sisko questions what the transmission is about, she admits to Sisko that her brother plays a sport that was played on Earth centuries ago… baseball ! Sisko can't believe his ears, and asks for more details about the team, the Pike City Pioneers and the Cestus Comets . Yates tells him that it's a six-sided league but more teams are potentially forming, but she asks why he's so interested. Sisko, now like an excited child at Christmas, tells Yates that he loves baseball, but he's doesn't know anyone apart from Jake who was interested in it, or even heard of it. Yates suggests that Sisko come and listen to the transmission with her, since it is an audio recording of her brother's game against the Cestus Comets . As they head off, Sisko pesters her with questions about the league; do they use a designated hitter (no), what about wood bats (of course), and whether or not they could use a right handed pitcher (while flexing his right arm as though warming it up). As Sisko and Yates walk away, chatting about their shared interest, Jake smiles to himself from the top level of the Promenade , knowing that his matchmaking efforts worked.

On Ferenginar, Ishka imprints the PADD with the confession for Brunt. Brunt notes that she will be an example to all women that nobody could outsmart the FCA, but Quark bribes him with a small sack of latinum. After all, as he says, " what would people say if they knew a female had made that much latinum? " After Brunt exits, Quark says his goodbyes and follows. Rom and Ishka hug and disclose that she only gave up a third of her profits, but that the FCA wouldn't find the rest, since she hid it so well hidden, she wasn't sure if she'd be able to find it all!

Memorable quotes [ ]

" My house is my house. " " As are its contents. "

" Mother, get undressed this instant! "

" If you want any suggestions, I'll be in Cargo Bay -- " " … four ." " Huh? Seven . "

" Since when does a Ferengi need to make excuses for earning profit? " " You're a female ! " " And when it comes to making profit, this female is a better Ferengi than you'll ever be! "

(Cheery tone) " I sincerely hope I never see any of you again! " (Equally cheery) " The feeling is mutual! "

" You know at the rate we go through runabouts, it's a good thing the Earth has so many rivers. "

" Look brother, the latinum tooth sharpener I used when we were children. " " All I had was a cheap wooden chewstick. "

" That's enough bickering! You're both acting like children! I will not stand by and let this family tear itself apart! Quark, you should be ashamed of yourself. I've seen you treat Cardassians with more respect than your own mother. And Moogie, if Quark can uncover your hidden investments, then the FCA will, too. And then all that profit will be lost. Think about that for a moment. Now, neither one of you is going to leave this room until you've settled things! Is that clear?! AND NO SHOUTING!!! I'm going to take a nap. "

" I'm glad to see you two are finally getting along. " " I think things will be a lot better between us from now on. " " As long as he doesn't find out you only gave the FCA a third of your profits! " " If you ask me a third was too much. Well, it's my own fault for not hiding it better. " " Are you sure the FCA won't find the rest? " " I've got it hidden so well I'll be lucky if I can find it! " (Both laughing)

Background information [ ]

Story and script [ ].

This show originated from Ira Steven Behr 's desire to do a more serious Ferengi episode than had ever been seen in Star Trek up to this point, and both cast and crew feel that Behr succeeded in this aim. Armin Shimerman calls it " a very heartfelt psychological study ," while director Rene Auberjonois points out, " it's much more serious than the usual Ferengi story, even though there was a lot of comedic stuff in it. It's about a very painful thing, a son who has totally lost any sort of relationship with a parent ." Behr himself was also extremely pleased with how the episode turned out, calling it " the Long Day's Journey into Night of Ferengi stories ." Finally, co-writer Robert Hewitt Wolfe says, " There's a lot more to it than just the yucks. Underneath it all, it's a story about family ." ( Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. ? ))
A deleted or unfilmed scene saw Sisko and Jake walking together on the Promenade while they discuss Sisko's upcoming date with Kasidy. Jake is excited but claims that "coffee" doesn't give much time for his father and Yates to get to know one another. Morn approaches, but before he can speak, Sisko reassures him that he will be the first to know if any news comes in. Jake attempts to prepare Sisko for the date as they turn a corner. ( Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion - A Series Guide and Script Library )

Production [ ]

This episode's music was composed by Jay Chattaway . The amount of music he wrote for this episode was notably minimal. Of the episode, Chattaway recalls, " The score for DS9's 'Family Business' was my lightest at only six minutes. I thought Andrea Martin did a wonderful job in that one as Quark's mother. It was one of my favorites, though to write an eight-second cue and make it funny is probably harder than any lengthy action sequence. It's very difficult to pull off. It's not just about how many minutes. I used an oboe and a bassoon as the musical voices of Quark and Rom. It was subtle, but the fans picked up on it. I see their comments in letters and on the Internet. " ( The Official Star Trek: Voyager Magazine issue 4 , pp. 47-48)
Ishka 's head-piece for this episode was based on that worn by Wallace Shawn as Zek , and was designed to look almost caricature-like, with drooping lobes and large jowls. For the scene when her knees are seen, makeup supervisor Michael Westmore even designed drooping kneecaps. For the shot where her shoulders and the top of her chest were exposed, Westmore didn't have time to create a proper foam-latex appliance, so he rubberized Kleenex, and wrinkled it, laying it across Andrea Martin 's shoulders and on the upper portion of her chest. According to Westmore, Martin was not amused by the makeup. ( Michael Westmore's Aliens: Season Three , DS9 Season 3 DVD , Special Features)

Reception [ ]

Ira Steven Behr commented " I don't think it was quite the Ferengi version of Long Day's Journey into Night , but it's about as pure a Ferengi show as you can get. This year we've accomplished two very good episodes for the Ferengi. " Prophet Motive " was a flat-out comedy with nothing else but humor. Then we did "Family Business", which was much more serious. I thought there was some wonderful stuff between Rom and Quark, and the fight was good and surprising. I thought Andrea Martin was very good. The relationships were all nice, and it was an interesting look at the Ferengi homeworld ". ( Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages p 97)
When Andrea Martin did not return to the role of Ishka in " Ferengi Love Songs ", Cecily Adams was cast in the role. Adams watched "Family Business" to learn more about the role. Adams commented " I think it helped me understand the level of the comedy and of the work. I saw that I was allowed permission to go farther with the character. When I saw the episode that Andrea had done and I saw the work that all the actors had done, I realized that these characters take their world very seriously but from the outside looking in on them, they're very fun to watch ". ("Ishka: Revolutionary Moogie", Star Trek: Communicator issue 122 )

Continuity and Trivia [ ]

This episode features the first appearances of three characters who would subsequently become more important: Kasidy Yates , Ishka , and Brunt . It also features the first appearance of Ferenginar and first reference to the Ferengi Commerce Authority (FCA).
The style of Sisko's goatee is considerably thinner and less noticeable in this episode compared to how it appeared in the previous episode. This style would be continued for the remainder of the series.
Kasidy mentions that her brother lives and plays baseball on Cestus III which had previously appeared in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode " Arena ".
Quark's family home on Ferenginar has a round, hobbit -like front door. The authors' foreword to Ira Steven Behr and Robert Hewitt Wolfe's book Legends of the Ferengi is filled with Lord of the Rings references and they appear to be avid J.R.R. Tolkien fans, so this might have been an intentional homage.
The new runabout USS Rubicon is given its name in this episode, replacing the USS Mekong , which was lost at the Battle of the Omarion Nebula in " The Die is Cast ".
Quark 's mother saves his old childhood action figures, which happen to be re-dressed Ferengi action figures from Playmates ' TNG action figure line of the mid-90s. Quark's figures would make another appearance in the fifth season episode " Ferengi Love Songs ".

Video and DVD releases [ ]

UK VHS release (two-episode tapes, CIC Video ): Volume 3.12, 11 September 1995
As part of the DS9 Season 3 DVD collection

Links and references [ ]

Starring [ ].

Avery Brooks as Commander Sisko

Also starring [ ]

Rene Auberjonois as Odo
Siddig El Fadil as Doctor Bashir
Terry Farrell as Lieutenant Dax
Cirroc Lofton as Jake Sisko
Colm Meaney as Chief O'Brien
Armin Shimerman as Quark
Nana Visitor as Major Kira

Guest Stars [ ]

Penny Johnson as Kasidy Yates
Max Grodénchik as Rom
Jeffrey Combs as Brunt

Special Guest Star [ ]

Andrea Martin as Ishka

Co-Star [ ]

Mel Green as Secretary

References [ ]

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" Family Business " at Memory Beta , the wiki for licensed Star Trek works
" Family Business " at Wikipedia
Family Business at StarTrek.com
" Family Business " at MissionLogPodcast.com , a Roddenberry Star Trek podcast
"Family Business" script at Star Trek Minutiae
" Family Business " at the Internet Movie Database
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Moogie
Moogie was a Ferengi term of endearment for mothers and grandmothers. Quark and Rom often called their mother Ishka "Moogie", though Quark also considered the term infantile. (DS9: "Family Business", et al.) Nog used "Moogie" for his grandmother. (DS9: "The Magnificent Ferengi") After Rom and Leeta were married in 2373, Nog called his new stepmother "Moogie". Shortly after, Rom told Nog to ...
Cecily Adams
Adams portrayed the recurring character of Ishka (also known as "Moogie"), mother of the Ferengi brothers Rom and Quark, in four of her five appearances in the television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, replacing Andrea Martin. Adams was, in fact, nine years younger than Armin Shimerman, who played Quark, despite playing his mother.
Ishka
Ishka is a fictional character from the science fiction television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9).A female Ferengi, she is the mother of Quark (Armin Shimerman) and Rom (Max Grodénchik).Ishka appears in five canon episodes of DS9, and also features in seven licensed-but-non-canon Star Trek novels.. Conceptualized as a feminist character, Ishka was played by Andrea Martin once and ...
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Cecily Adams, Quark's Moogie, Is Dead at 39 By Michelle March 4, 2004 - 11:45 PM. Cecily Adams, the actress who played Quark's mother Ishka a.k.a. Moogie on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, has died ...
Moogie
"Moogie" is a Ferengi term of endearment for mothers and grandmothers. Similar to "Mommy", "Nana", or "Mama".I put this clip-edit together for mother's day. ...
Rom's Most Crucial Deep Space Nine Moments
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was years ahead of its time. A serialized drama based in a universe where the underlying theme was to Boldly Go, DS9 instead stayed planted solidly in Bajoran space. ... His willingness to accept Moogie's financial talents, as well as keeping her secret that she hid two-thirds of her profits is a gigantic step ...
Andrea Martin
Andrea Martin (born 15 January 1947; age 77) is the Emmy Award and Tony Award-winning actress, comedienne, voice actress and writer who originated the role of Ishka in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine third season episode "Family Business". She is perhaps best known for her work on the sketch comedy television series Second City Television (SCTV). She is also known for her roles in the 1974 ...
[4K] Moogie Rescue
From: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season 6, Episode 10 - 'The Magnificent Ferengi' Part 2. Original DVD Upscaled to 2160p (4K) using Topaz Video AI.⚙️ Topaz V...
Quark Makes up with Moogi (DS9: Family Business)
From Star Trek Deep Space Nine S3E23: Family Business
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Watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine — Season 6, Episode 10 with a subscription on Paramount+, or buy it on Fandango at Home, Prime Video, Apple TV. When their moogie is kidnapped by the Dominion ...
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" The Magnificent Ferengi (TV Episode 1998
The Magnificent Ferengi: Directed by Chip Chalmers. With Avery Brooks, Rene Auberjonois, Michael Dorn, Terry Farrell. At the request of the Grand Nagus, Quark puts together a mission to rescue Quark's mother, who is in the hands of the Dominion.
Every Vorta
The Vorta:Star Trek's guys-you-love-to-hate. The middle managers of the Dominion. ... Between his banter with Moogie and his negotiations with Quark, it's safe to say that Iggy Pop was born to play an alien on Star Trek, and it's nice that he's got that as a fallback career if the musician thing doesn't work. 4) Weyoun 7.
Star Trek: DS9's Quark Family Returns Makes 2 Missing Ferengi ...
The welcome returns of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Quark (Armin Shimerman) and his brother Rom (Max Grodénchik) in Star Trek: Lower Deckshave made the absence of two members of their Ferengi ...
The Magnificent Ferengi (episode)
He watched past Ferengi episodes to get up to speed with the differences between the Ferengi of Star Trek: The Next Generation and those in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He also read The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition and Legends of the Ferengi. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. 518)) Dennis McCarthy composed the score of the episode ...
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" Profit and Lace (TV Episode 1998)
Profit and Lace: Directed by Alexander Siddig. With Avery Brooks, Rene Auberjonois, Michael Dorn, Terry Farrell. Quark's mother and the Grand Nagus show up on DS9, announcing a new amendment to the Bill of Opportunities he has instituted on the home planet of Ferenganar, and then follows up with the announcement, that, due to the new amendment, chaos has followed and he has been deposed.
Cecily Adams
Cecily Adams. Actress: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. American actress, casting director, teacher, and theatrical director. The daughter of nightclub singer Adelaide Adams and Get Smart (1965) star Don Adams, she was born in Queens, New York, several months after her parents' divorce. Raised in peripatetic fashion by her mother, she survived a particularly Dickensian Catholic boarding school as a ...
Paramount Pictures Officially Confirms Star Trek Origin Movie For Its
Star Trek 2009 was an event movie, and 2015 Force Awakens was as well. Good job letting JJ go to Disney so Star Trek died as a film series. Tiger2 Reply to skyjedi
DS9 The Magnificent Ferengi
Quark and his team attempt to rescue Moogie :)
'Star Trek: The Experience' in Vegas: When Klingons, The Borg ruled the
With five shops, including Zek's Grand Emporium and Moogie's Trading Post, fans could buy everything from "Star Trek" trinkets to a full Klingon uniform that went for $12,000.
Family Business (episode)
("Ishka: Revolutionary Moogie", Star Trek: Communicator issue 122) Continuity and Trivia [] This episode features the first appearances of three characters who would subsequently become more important: Kasidy Yates, Ishka, and Brunt. It also features the first appearance of Ferenginar and first reference to the Ferengi Commerce Authority (FCA).
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The next theatrical Star Trek movie is a prequel to 2009's reboot. The next theatrically-released Star Trek movie is set to begin filming this fall, with plans to debut in 2025. Paramount Pictures ...
[4K] Moogie Rescue
From: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season 6, Episode 10 - 'The Magnificent Ferengi' Part 2. Original DVD Upscaled to 2160p (4K) using Topaz Video AI.⚙️ Topaz V...