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• Trim level: Limited AWD
• Model year: 2022
• 2” or 3” Lift: 3”
• Wheel/Tire model and size installed: OEM Wheels P235/60R18; no wheel spacers
• Shop that conducted the install w/ location (if applicable): Joe’s 4x4 Shop - Denver, CO (ask for John); Joe’s is a JOR recommended installer
• Install labor/materials cost (if you mind sharing): $1,700 out the door
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• User feedback / thoughts: Lost approximately 2 MPG per tank; glad I went with the 3” over the 2” - the added ground clearance is very useful; van body rolls a bit more in turns, but manageable

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I'm having my lift installed by Kendall Toyota of Bend in July. I'll post before and after photos and relevant pricing information here when done!  

You’re lucky to live near Kendall Toyota. I’ve checked out their JOR Lift YouTube videos. Looks like they have the process ironed out.  

Following. Thanks for creating this thread. Perhaps one of the mods could pin it to the top? For those that installed the lift, what is the max HEIGHT tire that would fit a 2" lift with room for cables (not chains)?  

I installed the 3" on my 2022 Woodland. Photos are shown at this link: Air Bag suspension kit for 2022 XLE AWD?  

2022 Sienna Limited AWD Hybrid Journeys 3” lift Firestone Airbags Sumo coil spring bushing mid front spring mount Nitto Nomad Grappler (XL) 1 size taller tires, no rub & no spacers. Factory wheels- Removed chrome hubcaps using 2-3’ construction pry bars. Black Aluminum wheels under chrome hubcaps Eco hitch Wilco off-road hitch swing out ALL modifications and upgrades were performed by myself. If you have a little mechanical background and take your time and don’t get frustrated easily, the parts install very straightforward. Did not notice any difference in mileage drop, due in part to the tires that were installed being an XL rated. The XL stands for extra load, so it is a slight bit stiffer than the sponge factory tires therefore less roll resistance. No body roll with my set up, it drives like a sports car on mountain roads and that’s no joke. I take corners hard at times and forget my shepherds are in the midsection of my van, and when I realize I’m going into the corner, too hot and look back, my shepherds, are up against the door with that what the hell look on their face🤦‍♂️.  

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RCP2013 said: 2022 Sienna Limited AWD Hybrid Journeys 3” lift Firestone Airbags Sumo coil spring bushing mid front spring mount Nitto Nomad Grappler (XL) 1 size taller tires, no rub & no spacers. Factory wheels- Removed chrome hubcaps using 2-3’ construction pry bars. Black Aluminum wheels under chrome hubcaps Eco hitch Wilco off-road hitch swing out ALL modifications and upgrades were performed by myself. If you have a little mechanical background and take your time and don’t get frustrated easily, the parts install very straightforward. Did not notice any difference in mileage drop, due in part to the tires that were installed being an XL rated. The XL stands for extra load, so it is a slight bit stiffer than the sponge factory tires therefore less roll resistance. No body roll with my set up, it drives like a sports car on mountain roads and that’s no joke. I take corners hard at times and forget my shepherds are in the midsection of my van, and when I realize I’m going into the corner, too hot and look back, my shepherds, are up against the door with that what the hell look on their face🤦‍♂️. Click to expand...

Would love more details on how you removed the glued on caps and close ups of the wheels underneath?  

You need at minimum (1) 3’ pry bar Home Depot. You will have to place something plastic ( Scraper in paint Dept. between the tire & lip of wheel to slide the pry bar in a little at a time. As you pry, start rotating around whole hubcap to loosen. The industrial grade adhesive holding the chrome hubcaps is insane. You may think you’re doing a CrossFit workout on the removal work🤷‍♂️🤣🤣. I have other project Toyotas as well therefore I am in no rush to track the necessary info as to how much heat I can apply with a heat gun for adhesive removal. I have been told by onlookers that the adhesive on the wheels gives it an off-road look🤷‍♂️.  

@RCP2013 - thank you for the pics. Th wheels on our '21 Platinum are my biggest pet peeve. I am on the fence with how the adhesive looks, and if you ever try to remove the adhesive - I would want to hear your thoughts on how it went.  

I will probably try and contact a few Powdercoat companies and we’ll companies as well to try to determine how much heat I can apply here soon maybe in the next few weeks. With the lift, I was able to go up one size on the tires. The tires I got are a game changer, they are the Nitto nomad Grappler. These tires initially were designed to put on the adventure versions of the Subarus. No road noise from these tires a little stiffer side wall so reduced body roll and on the road or on trails they are pretty phenomenal I have to say.  

@admin or @fibber2 - any chance we can get the above airbag-related posts (from pp. 1-2 of this thread) removed from this thread and consolidated into one of the 4th Gen Sienna helper airbag related threads? This is great and very helpful content that would prove to be extremely useful for someone planning/researching an airbag install into a 4th Gen; however, despite its value, this content is a bit off topic for this specific thread discussing JOR 4th Gen Sienna lift kits. Just a thought that I think would help to structure the 4th Gen vehicle modification content on this forum.  

I can't tonight, but let me look at it later in the week.  

@yonah I gave this some thought, but don't see a compelling reason to strip the airbag content. I did, however, copy the Firestone airbag-related posts from here to this thread ( 2021 Sienna LE FWD with helper bags / air springs installed ) for cross-reference. As per the above discussion, there is an interest in exploring and possibly applying combination techniques, and there is certainly enough interest in both of these to warrant keeping them as-is. And now that we have linked them, it will remain a great resource for members interested in one or both. There have been other discussions about Journey kits in the past. If you are really worried about structure and flow of discussions keeping it all in one place, we could combine all of these discussions into a brand new tread. Or just leave it as it plays out. I don't believe that anyone will have trouble finding or following your content. Thanks for your interest and assistance to the community.  

Any feedback on whether upgrading from LE 17's to 18's would help much with a tighter ride? Im thinking of plus-sizing the tires and afraid the JOR lift + taller sidewall would add too much body roll.  

No added sway or delayed response in handling with the lift and the size tires on my stock 18 inch wheels that came with my van. Notice they are an XL load rated. With the listed tires, my van is much more responsive and my German shepherds, that ride in the midsection can attest to that on mountain road driving🤷‍♂️😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣  

RCP2013 said: No added sway or delayed response in handling with the lift and the size tires on my stock 18 inch wheels that came with my van. Notice they are an XL load rated. With the listed tires, my van is much more responsive and my German shepherds, that ride in the midsection can attest to that on mountain road driving🤷‍♂️😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Click to expand...

I do a long commute for work, almost 6 hours from Southern California to the bay area twice a month. I generally run between 75 to 85 mph and my mileage in the 80s is an about the 27 to 28 range. Driving 65 to 70 with two German shepherds, and the general things that are in the back of my van, see attached pic, I get in the 34 to 36 mpg range. What is the load rating on sidewall of model you are looking at? P-load, XL-load, C, D, E? I am going to run the Falkens on my first GEN crew, cab, 4 x 4 tundra, but I did not see the size I was looking for with the exact load I preferred for the sienna.  

SL for the Falkens. The AT3W's are XL but a few lbs heavier. Not sure what size to go with if I stick with 17s.. 235/70/17 would be the logical choice, 1" taller that stock but Falken nor Nitto's are available in that size.  

When I was doing my research and narrowed it down to the Nitto Nomad Grappler, I felt that America’s tire had the best pricing with more than enough selection. I just did a quick search on that size you have listed 235/70/17, I saw several decent choices in the XL load rating with great mileage warranty. I would’ve preferred 17 inch with minimum one size taller profile for my tires to give me that added cushion when I am on trails but I am happy with the set up I have as well.  

I am also interested in the 3" lift kit. Just talked with Kendall Toyota, and a tech told me that SOME Siennas develop a slight shimmy in the steering wheel as a result of this lift. He said it is not fixable. Anybody experienced this ? Any info / thoughts appreciated.  

On my 2022 limited all wheel drive hybrid, I had to replace the linkage a due to knocking profusely. The knocking started after putting about 7000 miles on the van post lift. It would get so loud. It sounded like the suspension was going to come apart while driving. When I contacted journeys off road, which took several calls, because they did not reply to my message, they claimed they were unaware of any issues? I ordered my replacement linkage directly from Moog and I no longer have the knocking that I had with the originals that came with the kit.  

KuJ1AS said: I am also interested in the 3" lift kit. Just talked with Kendall Toyota, and a tech told me that SOME Siennas develop a slight shimmy in the steering wheel as a result of this lift. He said it is not fixable. Anybody experienced this ? Any info / thoughts appreciated. Click to expand...

RCP2013 said: On my 2022 limited all wheel drive hybrid, I had to replace the linkage a due to knocking profusely. The knocking started after putting about 7000 miles on the van post lift. It would get so loud. It sounded like the suspension was going to come apart while driving. When I contacted journeys off road, which took several calls, because they did not reply to my message, they claimed they were unaware of any issues? I ordered my replacement linkage directly from Moog and I no longer have the knocking that I had with the originals that came with the kit. Click to expand...

@yonah - thank you for sharing that. It would be very helpful to find out the difference between the shaft angle with the 2" and 3" lifts, as opposed to the original OEM angle. Will look more into this. Even though the CV axle replacement is nothing major ...  

@RCP2013 - Please share what lift did you get (2" or 3"), how many miles with the lift, etc. I understand you are also going offroad with the Sienna, how is it behaving (with the lift) ? Thanks !  

I went with the journeys, off-road 3 inch lift Fire stone airbags in the rear springs-fire stone does not make airbags for my 2022 limited all-wheel-drive hybrid. I sent them detailed pictures when I was able to get the airbags to work without any butchering of my vehicle. All those pictures are listed on this website because I shared them here as well. I also have sumo spring bushings in the front springs to eliminate some of the SAG in the vehicle as well. I also went with Nitto nomad grappler tires the XL load range. I was able to go up one size taller than the stock tires that came on my van. The tires equally make as much of a difference with regard to handling on and off road. I posted on here the other day when somebody started a discussion about problems with the journey’s off-road lift. I posted my linkage that came with the lift started knocking on both sides at about 3500 miles or so. I contacted Moog direct and got replacement linkage and I put several miles on my van now with no more noise whatsoever. My van sits just as high as a Subaru, if not higher and handles nicely on trails and on the highway.  

Awesome, thank you RCP2013 !!!  

You’re welcome!  

@RCP2013 - just so I clear my head from misunderstanding: you have an AWD 2022 Sienna ? you bought sumo coils/spacers for the FWD 2022 Sienna front suspension, and installed them in the rear ? Or in the front ? Thanks ! -- Sorry if I missed this info from other threads, I am reading a lot about this and might have mixed some details.  

KuJ1AS said: @RCP2013 - just so I clear my head from misunderstanding: you have an AWD 2022 Sienna ? you bought sumo coils/spacers for the FWD 2022 Sienna front suspension, and installed them in the rear ? Or in the front ? Thanks ! -- Sorry if I missed this info from other threads, I am reading a lot about this and might have mixed some details. Click to expand...

@RCP2013 - Thank you for clarifying that. I was looking for rear Sumo coils for an AWD LE . I have very good experience with Sumo Springs on a 4Runner, excellent product. I hope they make it for Sienna as well - they replace the factory bump stops, byt are longer and actually sit on the axles and act as a double-up spring. Very efficient and simple - no mainenance.  

A recommendation if I may- I would put the sumo spacers in the front and Fire stone airbags in the rear. It’s not only going to help you in general at keeping the vehicle level and not sagging but also in the long run if you plan on keeping the vehicle, it will keep those coil springs in great condition for the long haul.  

@RCP2013 - I am planning to go with your recommendation and do the 2" lift + Firestones in the rear. Will talk to Kendall Toyota see what they say, and if they can install them together with the lift. Somebody recommended AirLift airbags, they say they are "better" than Firestones ? Don't know much about this brand ...  

Installing the bags during the lift install makes sense. Will probably add an hour or so to your bill. I chose the Firestone bags as I like the countersunk/recessed push-fit air fitting that is vulcanized into the top of the bag. The Airlift bags have a nipple that protrudes out of the top of the bag and their supplied air line slides over it. Seems vulnerable, IMO, but that’s just me. I like push-fittings. If you seat the airline well into the fitting, you’ll have no issues. Push-fittings are very popular in the pneumatic industry for this reason.  

@yonah -- thank you, that makes sense, ordered Firestones.  

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